Even as Netflix’s Fuller House breezed right past our derision into a second season, the sitcom sequel may never live down its bizarre shade at the Olsen twins, either of which declined to reprise their role as Michelle for even the basest cameo. Now, with Season 2 well into production, the cast believes they’ve given up on ever seeing Michelle again.

Not that repeated jabs over the course of Fuller House Season 1 might have endeared the twins to anything, it was Jodie Sweetin who delivered the exasperated news to ET, saying “We’ve tried everything. I think we’ve kinda given up [on convincing either Olsen for a cameo].” Some producers are still vaguely optimistic on the possibility, though executive producer Bob Boyett previously explained of their absence:

Ashley said, ‘I have not been in front of a camera since I was 17, and I don’t feel comfortable acting.’ Mary-Kate said, It would have to be me because Ash doesn’t want to do it. But the timing is so bad for us.

That didn’t stop John Stamos from attempting to throw any Olsen in the mix, but it looks like the twins are in for another round of shade over Michelle’s fashion career in New York City. In the meantime, Fuller House Season 2 lacks a formal premiere, but may arrive as early as this year.